The Associate
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Magunus
First off, I'm suprised this thread has taken the tangent it has, but no matter.
The problem with your argument about all the toys that frigate and cruiser pilots get is that with 1 or 2 notable exceptions, none of them are overpowered solo ships. Even that exceptions (HACs and Command) aren't really overpowered solo ships, but they are very good.
My argument is very simply that battleship pilots have no advanced battleships to play with. How does ccp expect to maintain battleship plyer interest when they provide zero new content for them but plenty for just about everyone else?
Originally by: Magunus
So you want to add another very good ship to the battleship line? To make HACs obsolete?
My argument has nothing to do with HACs??? and "another very good ship to the battleship line??? there are only two tech1 battleships, this entire thread is about adding some tech2 variants.
Originally by: Magunus
Every tech 2 ship in this game has a role. A very specific role.
Yes and we are trying to find a role for a tech2 battleship here, so i wish knee jerk whiners would stop pouring **** on everyones idea just because they are complete noobs who fail to grasp the simple concept behind battleship pilots who have played for over three years without ANY new content for them.
Originally by: Magunus
Some of those roles are simply more popular and attractive than others to the majority of the playerbase. I don't deny that a Battleship sized HAC would be very popular and attractive to the majority of the playerbase. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I am afraid that CCP opened this door with the AF and the HAC and the command ship
Originally by: Magunus
The cost isn't an issue, either. That 600-1000 million isk you mention is the price that people sell them for, not what they build them for. The real build cost is actually very low, which is why insurance on many tech 2 ships appears broken. That money doesn't suddenly just disappear, it goes into the pockets of the BPO owner.
this statement is of course idiotic, of course the end sell price is a factor, just as it is now. Many players can afford HACs but dont use them, why? because to loose one and have to replace it is just too expensive. Same reason you dont see war gangs often roaming around in faction battleships. The cost to buld them is irrelevent its the end user price that will cap and advanced battleship from becoming the wtfpwnnoobmobile that everyone has, high skill requirements and out rageous prices will mean the battleship tech1s will still be the staple of day to day operations for battleship pilots.
Originally by: Magunus
No ship should be the ultimate ship to have, ever, and that's what a HAC BS would be. It causes market problems, as well as gives too much power to single entities.
Titan.
Originally by: Magunus
Besides, CCP is trying to get combat to last longer. Adding a HAC BS to the game would make that particular *ship* last longer, but any combat in which that ship fights would be significantly shorter, or simply not exist at all.
Clearly you have not use a battleship in any kind of large engagement, you are the first to die simple because you are the easiest to target and to damage. It stands to reason that any advanced battleship would be a priority targets. And why are you stuck on the HAC BS concept? no one here is saying a battleship with high ressists is the only option.
You have failed to make a single coherent argument as to why battleship pilots should not get some advanced battleships, and thus be stuck in tech1 ships for years.
in conclusion,
Battleship pilots still need advanced battleships so that they may specialize and advance their play styles just as every other pilot gets to do. This is a fundamental point, if the battleship player base is going to be kept happy customers then CCP need to address this vital issue.
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